Is that even possible? How do forensics work on such events? Most people carry their wallets on their person. It would be too quick to process, and I'd be dead so I'd have no memory, but it would be a trippy half second. In the most ideal circumstances, you would have about 20/90, about 1/4 sec to see the front of the plane crumbling in front of you. Again this is all hearsay but gives you an idea of how bad crash was, lol my sisters baby cousin Tracy did seened it, The families got the bodys now..I cant imagine what they will see..or if it is too horrific. Let's say the cabin is 50 m. The entire cabin would be pulverized in about 1/2 second. An airliner is a big aluminum can... there would be no impact to cause loss of consciousness, just debris and dead. They do have a 911 recording of someone right as the building collapse started and you can here him starting to scream as the building fell and then the line went dead. It totally depends on how badly the bodies were damaged. I think it was USAir flight 427. It’s trippy to know events happened to you, that you took actions, but have no memory of it. it makes you realize we’re really just flesh and bones. So 1/100th of a second is just at the edge of visual recognition. So what would happen to someone wearing something like this? I read this in the St Louis Post Dispatch. Suppose you even take up the space of 1 m. You would have 1/90 sec of impact time. And it also have examples of activities 26 seconds long for comparison. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. When you impact anything at 150 mph or more, your head will snap forward so quickly it will severe your spine at the forsaken magnum. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, BA | Forensic Supervisor (Forensic Technicians). Chopper crashes in LA and no body has one of them nikon cameras? And while a passenger manifest absolutely can help figure out who was sitting where, in some crashes you have people (and parts of people) being flung all over the place, so not everyone (or their pieces) is necessarily going to be found near their assigned seat. Press J to jump to the feed. if you Google other accident photos, you’ll see people just filleted into little pieces everywhere. Damn! I feel it’s very likely most people in plane crashes don’t die afraid or in pain—but rather in confusion. Usually they will be burned, sometimes to a crisp. I keep picturing the crash scene in my head. There was an newspaper article in the 90’s that put it a little in perspective, at least for the crashes where the passengers may be aware. It talked about how they wouldn’t have been able to lift their arms up because of the centrifugal force. You have people that recover bodies and you also have AM (Ante Mortem) & PM (Post Mortem) teams. I don’t know why. Most people don’t feel afraid during the life threatening event because every shred of processing power in the brain is dedicated to figuring out the new reality. Adrenaline is really amazing for clearing your head when you're in danger. So yeah, you might be able to have a flash of the visual of the cabin frame collapsing towards you. You get to see ahead, at most, about 20 meters. For those that carry handbags, they usually either are holding them or have them under their seats. I can’t locate the article, but I think it was about the crash outside of Pittsburgh. Sometimes though they can't tell and the body/remains are listed as unidentified. Sometimes you can still ID a chunk using techniques like x-rays, since certain implants can match up with someone's medical records (Like screws holding an old bone break together). Reading the weekly crash analysis pieces got me wondering: In the case where the plane nosedives into the ground, or slams into a building or something, it's usually stated that "the passengers and crew were killed instantly". collisions like this and all the metal deformation generate intense heat and ignite the fuel, so anything surviving that initial impact would be roasted pretty quick. All of these folks were rich and lived in the areas, so with their known identities, getting dental records would be fast. They check the seating plan, if they have to they will use teeth and DNA analysis. I contemplated what the passengers in the airliners hitting the WTC on 9/11 would have seen... essentially they would see for literally a split second a wall of plane debris then dead. They check the seating plan, if they have to they will use teeth and DNA analysis. Welcome! It was between 1993-1995. In addition, crashes usually do not result in complete obliteration or the remains. Totally unconfirmed but a friend heard from a first responder that Kobe was disemboweled and top half of him missing leaving only hands which would corroborate the fingerprint ID. Imagine standing still, and someone driving a massive truck at you, covered in metal and fabric plane cabin parts. Other times you'll find bodies just like anything else. If it crashed in a town where people from that town could’ve been killed, you’d have a lot more work to do. They check their pockets for wallets. Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. They had 26 seconds between the first sign of trouble and the crash. During this process teams are split. Just trying to get an idea of what the forensic team encountered at the scene. Based on the physics and biology, I'd say that. For example, the 911 call of Kevin Cosgrove, I can’t speak specifically to a plane crash, but I have been in a very sudden “life in danger” scenario myself (I was on fire; sustained pretty bad burns) and I now work in emergency medicine. They are boxing, and then they are waking up on the ground. Not much of anything? There are aftermath photos of plane crash victims out there. I remember a freeze frame realizing exactly what was about to happen, and the single thought “Bad!”. I've thought about this too. Surely with that drop in altitude they knew something was wrong. There was an newspaper article in the 90’s that put it a little in perspective, at least for the crashes where the passengers may be aware. How true is that? However, the impact would rip through your body extremely fast. I'm just having a hard time imagining someone you grow up watching on TV in a horrific state. The responders do their best but there always a chance that a few bodies won’t be identified. They had 26 seconds between the first sign of trouble and the crash. That’s rancid. But you would have no time or ability to feel your body being mangled and compressed. An open is something like a natural disaster, bombings, etc. I was totally aware of everything flying around me as my car was pushed across the intersection and flipped in its side. It’s even more complicated with mass disasters like the 2004 Boxing Day tsunami. And sometimes, in very extreme cases, even DNA may not be enough (like the tissue may be too contaminated, or there's no DNA on file to compare it to). Tattoos, jewelry and other personal items such as cell phones can assist in presumptive identification. Unless they didn't expect it at all.. which is probably better. It would be like a punch that impacts your entire body, and doesn't stop or reduce in intensity. This is a place to talk about forensic science: ethics, education, employment, techniques, articles, and news. Other times you'll find bodies just like anything else. Also, if not burned, just jacked up from the crash, the adults likely had their IDs, etc. Dentals can be compared with photos of victims smiling, etc. Once they believe they have all matches, then they do dental comparisons to completely verify- this was probably done later, but done now. This community is home to verified forensic science professionals and students who are passionate about their work. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. Cool! Worst case scenario is you have nothing but burned chunks of people spread over a large area. Same with the time I got knocked out skateboarding. There are two main types of disasters: closed and open (there can also be a mixed). AM teams collect antemortem data (data from medical records, photos, media, fingerprints, DNA, etc. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. F'in autocorrect. During this phase it’s important for one person NOT to collect both AM and PM data of a body, because this introduces bias and you start to see things you don’t actually see (you go out of your way to find the similarities). A nightmare regardless. it’s unbelievable. The impact of such a plane accident would be at least comparable, though much worse, than being knocked out by a punch. I think it was USAir flight 427. In that type of helicopter crash what do you think they found? Anything? Man.. this is grim. Now studies indicate that humans can identify an image as fast as 13 ms (1.3 hundredths of a second). Lifeless bodies fully intact? Literally plummeting to your death without any control. They will tell you that they have no recollection of being hit. They check their pockets for wallets. If all else fails you have DNA testing. Me too! That's how they stay. There are aftermath photos of plane crash victims out there. Foramen, not forsaken. Depends on how it crashed. I'm impressed, Very fell pieces of body parts, probably very minimal and also big parts of bodies, but depends; overall the fire burned the bodies, so the bodies are very black or grey, being silk in texture overall, but identity is made to know the family member dead in the lab of DNA so it can trace the family origin and know who it is, who the body is, the pieces; tbh not very efecctive, but good overall for those who want to identify the body of the family member who was in the plane that got crashed, I have read that most of time it's just like they were cremated or even vaporized, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the morbidquestions community, Press J to jump to the feed. It was a Cesna 182 (high wing, fixed wheels) that had catastrophic engine failure at about 10,000 feet at dusk. The closest I’ve ever come to something like this was skiing: I went over what I thought was a small hump, but it dropped straight down 4’ and I went face first into the opposite bank. Your brain smashes into the front or your skull, which is like hitting 150 grit sandpaper, creates a lot of free flowing blood, your brains shuts down, and off you go. What terrifies me is what was going on in their last moments. They are great with helping current professionals, aspiring professionals, current students, aspiring students, authors, and those who have questions or would like to talk about forensic science. I was in a small plane "crash" when I was a teenager.
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